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Tonx's avatar

You’re not wrong. I generally hold my tongue on this topic as I have lots of skin in the game, having started now two roasting companies (Tonx & Yes Plz) premised on the idea that you can make coffee at home much better than the current crop of third wave coffeebars—if the roaster is doing their job well. There was an era, more than a decade ago, where new indie shops and roasters opened and presented something new, with a distinct style, and a real dedication to quality. Today we’re left with this template that sort of works, a set of best practices that kind of deliver something good, and a lot of reputable roasting companies and professionals who mistake bending their goalposts down to the grass around what tastes good with being unpretentious. Very few shops swing for the fences anymore, and lots of inside-baseball trends around mediocre but weird experimental processes and super rare coffees to make shops/baristas feel like there’s still a vanguard to join up with. Plenty of snobbery still, just not much of it that actually lands in your cup. There’s more decent coffee in more places than ever before but arguably fewer places to have a really wow experience than 10-15 years ago.

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Frank's avatar

I can't drink coffee anymore (gerd) but got into it heavily (3 espresso machines, customized, roasting beans, etc) but when I was, and I lived in Williamsburg brooklyn & Manhattan where people pretend to know what they are doing, by and large they don't seem to. I blame this on management. I watched a coffee training for staff at a place called Marlow & Sons in Brooklyn (sort of known by locals for their coffee) and it was pretty sad. So were their espresso shots. You can only really get out of the coffee what the staff want to get out of it. And that's as random as finding good food. Just because a restaurant lists fine ingredients on their menu doesn't mean they pull off the dish well. Same with coffee. I was shocked at how bad a lot of the shots were. I also went to Kauai coffee plantation in ... well, Kauai (didn't see that coming) and the shots they were pulling there were so bad I couldn't drink them - that was in their coffee sample cafe. Go figure.

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